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Re: J-Music Awards 2008 : Let's vote for B'z !
« Reply #15 on: February 02, 2009, 08:53:02 AM »
That sounds interessting.
Maybe we open a thread for that? :-)

Coldplay sounds good. I think about Maroon 5. Because after the cover of This Love i think they would do a good job together...
With Aerosmith they played together in Japan around 2002 (?).
Hm i dislike Bjrk. I can't listen to her music. For me it's too hm how could i say that: abstract  ::)
Bon Jovi could be great too.
Do you know the song Asian Sky from Steve Vai? Koshi sings and Tak play the guitar togehter with Steve. That was a great job. I love that song  ;)
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Re: J-Music Awards 2008 : Let's vote for B'z !
« Reply #16 on: March 14, 2009, 09:57:35 AM »
Hi,
I've read all your comments here and I completely agree with you all.
Some days ago I've read some articles by Gombrowicz (polish writer, also known in the USA). In one of them he says 'no one likes poems' etc, etc - and the whole thing is about The Big Art, who everyone loves, but in fact, no one understands and likes. And if not school nor society - who'd go to the operahouse os read sometimes really $&%^$ poems.
The point is, that there are many bands with oh-so-great music, and oh-so-deep lyrics, and people love them and would even kill themselves for them. But - in fact, they don't really like them. I think you know what I mean.
So I started to think - if Art in many % is shi...erm... stupid, then... what? I think that important is what Gombrowicz has also said in his article - that not poeple are for Art, but Art for people.
I know lots of people who laugh at me, because I listen to B'z. They point at my backpack with big B'z logo on it and stupidly ask "b...z... whut? whaaaat is thaaaaat?" (but they know). Or they say some ...stupid things about Tak and Koshi or say they don't know what music is (sometimes they haven't heard them even once!) or wonder "how can it be, such bad band with so many fans" <-after seeing some Live-Gym). People can be so $%^%*%@ stupid sometimes. Gosh!
And then they play f.ex. something by The Who. OK, I have nothing against them, they have some good songs. But... maybe I'm wrong, but they are quite simple musicaly, and lyrics are too... not so moving. Maybe times has changed, but...
..but listening to B'z, no matter what "times" do we have, we can always feel happy, motivated, we can face our sadness or anger. And so many other things - whole rainbow, without falling in any forms/moulds. Koshi and Tak are so good people - it's inspiring too. And that is important. Not only music, which is still, I think, really wonderful, done professionaly etc.
B'z are for people. And this is truly beautiful.

I don't remember any book or movie or something, which fall deeply into my mind, changed my point of wiev and make me wanna be better man. Even if sometimes reading something I felt like "hm, yeah, that's interesting... maybe..." finally I forgot it.
B'z melodies are always with me, inside of my head. I remember lots of B'z lyrics, and even if I not always understand them well (or even at all) I'm deeply moved etc.

...I don't know what more to say (better for you ;p) and I gotta go.
Bye!
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Name: Anna; Country: Poland; Born: 1990 Oct 1; B'z fan since: beggining of 2006 (first song heard in 2003 - "It's Showtime").

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Re: J-Music Awards 2008 : Let's vote for B'z !
« Reply #17 on: March 15, 2009, 03:35:16 PM »
Hello Anka, your message was touching.

The Big Art, as you say, is often a Big Art because it is big. This art deserves its succes, like the huge Pablo Picasso's last exhibit in Paris that broke all records of audience.

The Who are also a big band in the history, they deserve all the admiration. The problem is not the Big Art, but the public and the way we use the art.

For example, the german poet Goethe has many statues and they celebrate his birthday. "This year is his 200th birthday year." He's a great poet and writer, but we must not forget that many other poets exist. It's not Goethe's fault, we just focalise on him and don't see the others who also exist.

It's the same today whith the cinema. While american blockbusters blow all away, the public doesn't even know that many other movies exist. I'm not talking about quality, but about knowing what exists. While a "Star Wars" gets a huge success all around the world, other independant american movies are not known and seen, and what about movies coming from Europe, Asia or all around the world?

The public is the problem.
Ask yourself: why do you love something that everybody loves? You can adore Picasso, Goethe or Star Wars. But, is it because your really personally love it, enjoy it? Or is it because they are the most known artists or works? Because everybody knows it and loves it?

They deserve to be appreciated and loved, but do you really know them?

Someone saying that The Who are a real band is right. But someone saying B'z is a bad band and you should listen to a real band like The Who is wrong. I listen to Bob Dylan and B'z, the first is one of the biggest artists of the 20th and 21th century. And I know why I love what he does, not just because many people say he's good. So I know what I'm talking about. And I listen to B'z too. It's absolutely not incompatible.

So, Anka, your description about your feelings when you listen to B'z is a fine description. B'z has something to do with joy and happiness. I can't explain it exactly. Honestly, I can't say that B'z is the best band of the world, and such an affirmation would be kind of stupid. Who could really say: This band, here, is the best of the world and in all history?" (we let that question to the fans of The Beatles and the Rolling Stones)

Okay, B'z is not the best band in the world. But first, it is certainly one the best in Japan.
Ah, problem, they have to listen to something else than english-american music... So, if the critics are about the country and the language, these are no critics, these are just nothing. Many good bands exist everywhere in the world, rock music is'nt just a question of english-american culture.

Second, B'z is a perfect compromise between commercial and artistic music. Not commercial in the way that they please the audience with ultra formated songs (like other Japanese bands and singers, Ayumi Hamasaki & co...), but commercial in the way that their commercial strategy is perfect. They know when they have to release something, how to sell something at the right time etc. But that's nothing today in Japan that is an ultra commercial country.
And even if B'z songs are often used in dramas and TV commercials, you will never see Inaba and Matsumoto in something else than music. They never played in commercials, TV series or movies (unlike supermarketmen like KimuTaku from SMAP).

Their music is a large mix of influences and their own creativity. Their melodies are unique and magic, even if Matsumoto borrows sometimes some known guitar riffs here and there. Inaba's voice is more than unique. It's one of the best in Japan today, and the point is that Inaba can sing. All Japanese singers cannot sing like he does (but that doesn't mean their voice is bad).

Third, they stage performances are incredible and fantastic.

Okay, you can say you don't like B'z, but first you have to recognize these qualities. B'z is one of the biggest bands in Japan, and they deserve it, like Picasso and Goethe, for example. If some people don't undestand why, they have to recognize B'z qualities, even if they don't like them.

Then it's a matter of taste.

So, Anka, I think you must stay cool with your friends (or not friends) laughing at you for loving B'z. I would say: listen to all they listen. Try to understand why they like it, why they admire the Big Art. Well, try to know all they know, and make your own judgement. Then you can say to them: "Okay, you listen to that, I do, you like it, I do. I love B'z and that's not a mistake. Now it's your turn to try to understand why B'z is such a huge band and why I feel so happy listening to it."

But it can be a long process. You have to give a lot of yourself to understand the others, and maybe they won't understand you. But if you tried to understand them and got no "payback", let it go.

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Re: J-Music Awards 2008 : Let's vote for B'z !
« Reply #18 on: March 15, 2009, 06:40:34 PM »
Whoa, Pierro, thanks.
It's not like I'm down or mad beacouse my "friends" are... narrow-minded. I just can't understand this, and that makes me little bit angry at myself - maybe there's something wrong with me?
Here, in Poland, there are no good bands (or if they are, no one knows them - just as you have written...), but still lots of teens love f.ex. Doda (she's terrible - pink, stupid and... gosh...), Feel (some horrifying boys-band) - and I hear from others, that their songs are oh-so-great and B'z is -bad-.
I feel like I'm green alien. And maybe I should be proud to be an alien, but... I just can't understand. Maybe I'm too stupid. Why while I can appreciate some good, hard-working bands, even, if I don't like their style, other people say "No, everything is bad, only what I listen to is best! Ale the others should die DX". I j u s t c a n ' t u n d e r s t a n d.
 "De gustibus non est disputandum" and "You can't change the whole world", but... God, I can't understand. World is too complicated for me X_x
OK, maybe I'm just too naive, simple and stupid.
But it's sad that in whole world there are always such people, who see only their own rights and are unable to even -say- something nice to people with other preferences... Or maybe just no one likes ME so they say B'z is stupid just to make me sad or something, not 'coz they really think so? That may be true... it's even cheering up :D

But, yeah... if they don't like B'z then it's their problem. They don't know what they lose, right? And I will love B'z always. Sometimes I have bigger or smaller pause in listening to them (because of school or just having a "wave" of listening to something else) - but I'm always coming back to them, never getting bored and every time when I hear Tak's guitar and Koshi's voice I feel like coming back home. Yeah... It's exactly this kind of feeling.

And, coming to an end, I'd just like to excuse myself: I'm talking so much about that "I can't understand blah blah" "Big Art blah blah" because my book is going to be released soon and now, after long and hard work I started to have some doubts. I tried to write something, what may cause some feelings in the Reader. What could make him stop and think over something. But, facing with the reality - with big publishing houses which take only best selling books from abroad, and don't care about polish debutants, having only about 300 copies and no real chances to make good advertising campaign - I think, "who's gonna read this?". Who's gonna like it? Probably noone... Still the love-stories writer Grochola or fantasy-writer Sapkowski would be the best known polish writers (in Poland now, I mean). And it's not about me and beign famous. It's just about the book - it surely wont be bestseller, and also no one would say it's a... don't know how to say that in english - but this kind of literature, which f.ex. Dostoyevsky's is now.
All of this is too hard for me. Wanna be a little child again T_T
That's all. Don't know what more to say.........


Oh, yea - I gotta say THAT - I've written in my book about B'z - just mentioned, with two quotes, but... yeah xD
And, if you don't know, in Haruki Murakami's short-story "Hanalei Bay" B'z is mentioned too. Something like: "Can you play something by B'z" "B'z? Oh, I don't like j-pop". - when I saw that I thought I'm gonna stop liking Murakami, but maybe just the character who said that was like classical-music-is-best...


Greetings.
Name: Anna; Country: Poland; Born: 1990 Oct 1; B'z fan since: beggining of 2006 (first song heard in 2003 - "It's Showtime").

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Re: J-Music Awards 2008 : Let's vote for B'z !
« Reply #19 on: March 15, 2009, 08:03:23 PM »
Anka,

We undestand each other, there are bad and good tastes in the world, so there are bad and good musics. But it's always a difficult debate when you want to say that something is good or not.

Well, I don't know the situation in Poland, if everybody is listening to bad music, what young people like or dislike, what Polish are waiting for, what they know about rock and Japanese music, what is their perception of Japan.

I think B'z makes good music, good rock and pop-rock music. B'z doesn't invent new ways or new rock styles, the english american bands are the best for that (but don't all invent something new), but B'z has something personal very strong, something unique.

Someone listening only very bad things doesn't have any strength when he says what is good or what is bad. Someone knowing very well the rock world and saying B'z is not interesting is someone I can understand.

Now, I didn't really understand what you said. Did you write a book? Could you explain us a little bit more?
I don't know very much about Polish writers, but I can say that one of the biggest science fiction novel I ever read is by a Polish author: "Solaris" by Stanislaw Lem. Or craziest books like "Ferdydurke" by Witold Gombrowicz. And now there is also Andrzei Stasiuk. But I'm talking about famous writers known in France and maybe Europe.

Tell us more!

About Haruki Murakami, I think you shouldn't be angry against him. He's a very interesting writer. He's more popular in the world than in Japan, because (he's not the first) Japanese understand him less than Europeans or Americans (for example). And he's more attracted by western culture. In each of his books there is a musical reference, very often western rock music.

When his character answers he doesn't like j-pop, it's surely Murakami's taste. But when he mentions B'z, it doesn't mean that Murakami doesn't like B'z especialy. Just that B'z is the biggest Japanese reference and it sounds logical that the character says B'z and not something completely unknown or very bad.

Does B'z really belong to j-pop? I don't think so, but it's a like a shortcut, it's easier to say B'z belongs to j-pop.

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Re: J-Music Awards 2008 : Let's vote for B'z !
« Reply #20 on: March 15, 2009, 09:52:02 PM »
I'm not angry at Murakami, and I understand he used B'z as an easy example, but when I saw "B'z" between other words (yeah, like a hawk XD) I was like "yay! B'z, B'z, B'z!" and run round my room for a while, then came back to reading and there: "blah blah don't like j-pop". Haha, just imagine my face then XD Totally confused.
But I have read all Murakami's book (except two first from The Rat Trilogy - have them on my PC, 'coz they're not availible in book versions and there's something new, I don't know what it is exactly, perhaps something like interwiev with Murakami).


Yes, I've written my own book. The editor had already checked it, we'd done all the last changes and actually now there's only thinking out the cover and printing left. The book is in fact a collection of short-stories...

/...oh God, we're so out of topic. Lebon's gonna kill us :D.../

...and it's titled "Melodia ko.ca .wiata" and that means The melody of the end of the world (oh, how many "the", it doesn't sound good XD) - it's also a title of one of the stories. There are two things common to every story: the question of being different (in any way - mentally or physically) and the "atmosphere" of the end of the world (don't know how to describe it without telling all the stories ;p). I think it's good captured in the motto, which is like: "When there will come the end of the world, what would we think? When there'll be no need nor possiblity to tell lies - to the others and to ourselves - how we're going to answer: who we was? who we are? And if Tomorrow is still going to happen - who will we be? And because the world started to end just right after it was created, and it is still ending - these questions are echoing between our thoughts for the whole time."
Sometimes these stories are sad, but I tried to always leave such impressions like "even if I'm different and alone, there's always some way to do what I really want. I may have other 'tools', but still everything depends on my will, I just have to try hard" or "different or not, it's me, and being myself make me feel proud" etc. Characters are looking for right places for them, for love or just some kind of acceptance - sometimes they fail, but it should be a lesson, not a cause of sadness... Some stories are 100% in real life, some have fantasy elements or are totally like science-fiction.
I think that's it. It's really hard to talk about own book xD


The more I think about art and society, the more I feel confused. Just when I come to thinking about, for example, children in Africa who don't know who Britney Spears is and they c o m p l e t e l y don't care about such things, and we here with problems like "oh why these poor pink-teens don't see that B'z is really cool and could make them happier and smarter and blah blah blah......"; or ppl from Anciet Rome who REALLY don't care about playing guitar, then... oh God - maybe I'd better stop thinking. Maybe it's better to sold my brain to some lab =P So I'm just coming back to my little room and start to think only about myself and what I wanna do - and I wanna be a better man and -create-. That's my aim. Now I have to end my high school, but after that I gotta form some rock band  8) yeah. xDD (impossible ;p)
« Last Edit: March 15, 2009, 10:02:14 PM by Anka »
Name: Anna; Country: Poland; Born: 1990 Oct 1; B'z fan since: beggining of 2006 (first song heard in 2003 - "It's Showtime").

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Re: J-Music Awards 2008 : Let's vote for B'z !
« Reply #21 on: March 16, 2009, 08:22:24 PM »
Den dobre Anka,

There's no problem with Lebon, his name means "the good" in French!

I can figure the scene with you running in your room when you read B'z in Murakami's book.

It's very interesting that you're publishing a book. Did your publisher ask you what is B'z? And when does it release?

Ahah, sometimes you seem confused, don't you think too much in all directions? Take a first thread of reflection and then a second. Reflection about the society and the world is a big thing. You can fix goals for yourself.
For example, in one year you let 10 persons discover B'z, and 2 or 4 of them should like it. This topic spoke of the French J-Music Awards, for example, the next time the goal is to vote more for B'z. You act like a lobby and ask many people to vote. That's for B'z.

But there are also political, ecological fields. You can try to convince people to vote at the European elections in June 2009.
Or you can explain to people that eating products with palm oil is destroying the forest of Borneo with all consequences on the fauna and the climate. I mean, there's a lot to do in this world.
But I understand, when we're young we easily turn and turn around in our rooms, thinking about ourselves. But Inaba says it many times: "It's showtime! Time to do something to make the world better!"




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« Reply #22 on: March 16, 2009, 09:51:54 PM »
;D

Book is going to be published in about 3 or even 2 weeks.
Yes, he asked: "and... em... what is it...? you know - this B'z?" "Ah, oh, it's a japanese rock-band." "Oh... really..." - and few minutes later he told me that when he was young he wanted to study japanese language and culture at the University. So that was pretty funny :)

And, back to me myself, sometimes "something's burnin' like a fire in my mind" :P It's just like I see big hapiness somewhere and then a real tragedy (in TVnews for example) - and then I feel like I'm lost in some big, unknown and desolate place, and I just don't know where should I go and does going anywhere make any sense? I feel really hopeless and I have noone to talk to. Maybe because I don't have friends I sometimes fall into too many thoughts. But it's not for long and after that I'm going back to my work.
I hope that someone would buy and read my book and that it will make this person happier, stronger and maybe even wiser.
And I hope some day it would be translated so you could read it too :)
Now I have only 2 months of school left, then big exams and lots of free time (about 4 months). I'm going to find some really good musicans and make a great band, to share energy with other people! Yeah! :D Wish me luck ;)
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Name: Anna; Country: Poland; Born: 1990 Oct 1; B'z fan since: beggining of 2006 (first song heard in 2003 - "It's Showtime").

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Re: J-Music Awards 2008 : Let's vote for B'z !
« Reply #23 on: March 17, 2009, 11:07:00 PM »
Really nice discussion!
But hehe when you continue, maybe open a new thread (in general)
Hehe now i'm the grinch  ;D

@Anka: It would be great, if your book would be translate into english or maybe into german. But hmmm my mother learn polish. Maybe she can understand it and could it explain to me :-)
So please feel free to post the address here, where we can find your book. My family lives near the border to poland...

I have a other question. Is it aloud to name B'z not asking them if you were allowed to do? Because i'm writing something and it would be great to publish it, when it's done, but i'm not sure if this is forbidden, without permission... I mean they are real persons and soooo on...
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Re: J-Music Awards 2008 : Let's vote for B'z !
« Reply #24 on: March 18, 2009, 09:32:44 AM »
I had doubts with using names such as B'z or f.ex. coca-cola, or quoting (B'z, Dostoyevsky's books etc), but it's not a problem. Till you don't say that someone's work is yours, but you just mention someone or quote him, that's OK. The fact is, they are public persons and their work is public and for poeple, and it's alright to use it in fiction, etc., etc.
I think it would be possible to buy my book in the internet shop, so that'll make thing easier. And, anjoschka178, it's great to hear that your Mum learns polish! I think she'll understand everything :) Maybe in my long holidays I'll translate some shorter stories into english - but I'm not sure yet. Time will show.
Greetings! (Pozdrowienia :D)
Have a nice day! (Milego dnia :D)
Name: Anna; Country: Poland; Born: 1990 Oct 1; B'z fan since: beggining of 2006 (first song heard in 2003 - "It's Showtime").

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Re: J-Music Awards 2008 : Let's vote for B'z !
« Reply #25 on: March 20, 2009, 08:31:48 AM »
dzi.kuj. bardzo (hehe i look about it in the www because i didn't know how i write it)
I only can 4 words in polish. Thank you, please, good afernoon or hello and goodbye.
We spend often our holidays in poland. I was often in Wroclaw. :-)

Haha and now it ends here. For more we have to move i think to the General Thread  ;D
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J-Music Awards 2009 : Let's vote for B'z !
« Reply #26 on: December 24, 2009, 03:27:18 PM »
Hello everyone and Merry Christmas!

You surely remember the last French J-Music Awards with all the disappointing results for B'z.

New Awards will be organized soon, so prepare yourself and tell everybody : Let's vote for B'z again and again!

The website is there http://www.frenchjmusicawards.com/

It's not ready yet but it will be soon. I think it will work like in 2008 but I will explain you if the rules are only in French.


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« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2009, 03:42:31 PM »
Hi again!

Waiting for these awards, there are also another poll about japanese music. Take a look here:

http://www.jame-world.com/uk/articles-59271-best-of-2009.html

It's in English, and B'z is nowhere, but we can always mention it of course!

Let's vote!

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« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2009, 04:00:31 PM »
I voted for B'z!

And then in the commentary box I wrote "why isn't B'z on any of the lists?!?!"
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« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2009, 09:24:38 PM »
^ same comment as mine except MUCH longer and in both French and English.  Even explained why it should be there (sales, etc, etc, etc).
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